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High School Jihad in Pakistan

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Hundreds of boys over the years has recruited for jihad from the refugee city. There are about 80 refugee camps on the Pakistani border. That in Shamshato - with 64.000 inhabitants and the city-like community with schools, hospitals, universities, mosques, etc. - are different however in that it is administered by the refugees who live there instead of the Pakistani government. The camp is also the notorious warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar patronage, which it has done since the resistance movement against the Soviet Union in the 1980s. His word is law in the camp and he also guarded by the Pakistani secret service Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI).

"To Join the Jihad, the Order of Almighty Allah, Call This Number" and "Those Who Want to Repay Their Debt to God, Take This Number," says the 17-year-old boy Wahid Khan, who went to school the teachers taught.

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Water Hole

A 15-year-old boy who joined a religious education came home to his family with a completely changed behavior, and preached to his parents how women in Afghanistan was accosted by the infidels. He smashed the family's television, which he said was haram - forbidden, and criticized his mother and sisters for daring to laugh when the people of Afghanistan suffered.

"He was Completely brainwashed," said his uncle, who worked as an engineer on a USAID project, and eventually had to remove the boy from the camp. "The mullah were looking for the opportunity to take HIM to Afghanistan to fight."

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:20 AM EDT
Water Hole

"My parents only live to Survive," the boy says Wahid Khan. "My AIM is to live honorably in the eyes of God-and That Means jihad."

Lives of young boys in Shamshato under Gulbuddin Hekmatyar governance therefore very destructive, but Newsweek notes that the boys in Shamshato still have more freedom to choose jihad (or choose to resist) than in tea x Waziristan in northwest Pakistan, which is controlled by the Taliban allies Haqqani network.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:21 AM EDT
Water Hole

Pakistan School - Jihad (audio)

Robert talks to Jeffrey Goldberg, a contributing writer to the New York Times Magazine, about an article detailing his experiences at one of Pakistan's biggest religious schools. The school provides Islamic education for boys. Many leaders of the militant Taliban in Afghanistan are among its graduates. Goldberg describes the school as a "jihad factory."

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:38 AM EDT
Water Hole

Pakistan madrasa/school thrives as jihad factory

"Osama bin Laden is a great Muslim," a student named Wali said. "The West is afraid of strong Muslims, so they made him their enemy."

Because the students had turned this day's class into a political seminar of sorts, I decided to ask a question of my own. I brought up the subject of Pakistan's nuclear bomb. I asked the students whether they thought it would be permissible, by the la w of Islam, to use a nuclear bomb in the prosecution of a jihad.

"All things come from Allah," one student said. "The atomic bomb comes from Allah, so it should be used."

I then asked: Who wants to see Osama bin Laden armed with nuclear weapons? Every hand in the room shot up. The students laughed, and some applauded.

But, I said, innocent people would inevitably die if the bomb were used. Even if the West, or Russia, is subjugating Muslims, does that give bin Laden and his supporters the right to kill innocent people?

"Osama has never killed anybody innocent," one student, whose name was Ghazi, answered.

"What if you were shown proof that he did?"

"The Americans say they have proof, but they don't give it to the Taliban."

I then presented a hypothetical scenario. "What if," I asked, "you were shown a video in which Osama bin Laden was actually seen murdering a woman. What then?"

There was a pause. A student named Fazlur Razaq stood up: "The Americans have all the tricks of the media. They can put Osama's head on the body of someone else, and make it seem like he's killing when he's not doing it."

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Reply#4 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:41 AM EDT
Boombay Central

"Osama has never killed anybody innocent," one student, whose name was Ghazi, answered.

"What if you were shown proof that he did?"

Repeat sentence above and replace Osama with Bush. So what about the terrorist (US army) recruitment camps across High Schools in America?

The truth feels weird doesn't it???

    Reply#5 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:50 AM EDT
    worldcurmudgeon

    Bombay Central...

    Obviously you do not really understand the American way of life, and are you aware of 911? Bush is no winner, he does wage war but this was only after 911. I will only go so far to say that he used this event to line the pockets of his wealthy corporate handlers and the military industrial complex world wide.

    The US Army does recruit but these are high school graduates as it takes parent permission under the age of 18 to join. And, army recruits don't come home and smash televisions declaring them to be forbidden, murder their sisters for wanting a boyfriend, and blow up synagogues and churches declaring a one rule religion. Most are fighting to maintain the American way of life, including diversity for all, and equality under the law.

    I wouldn't expect you to understand with the kind of comment you made above.

    • 1 vote
    #5.1 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:28 PM EDT
    Boombay Central

    worldcurmudgeon thanks for telling me what 9/11 is btw..i had no idea it happened until you mentioned it! So the fact that 911 happened killing 2000 odd ppl in the attacks, does it give Bush a right to wage his own "Holy War" against anyone whom he sees as "against" the American way of life?

    Are you saying that any1 who is muslim cannot be part of the american way of life? If so, then your remark stems heavily from racism.

    he used this event to line the pockets of his wealthy corporate handlers and the military industrial complex world wide.

    Do you have any idea who the US was supplying weapons to for at least a decade BEFORE 911? No? A little group in Afghanistan called the Taliban who were at the time harboring a well-trained CIA operative and Saudi citizen. In case you cant guess...his name was Osama Bin Laden.

    I bet America wasn't thinking of murdered women or blown up churches/synagogues/statues when it was supplying them with weapons was it?

    I guess it suddenly becomes "irrelevant" when the same people who you have supplied weapons to turn and use those weapons against you?

    My advice: Watch Formidable Opponent By Stephen Colbert.

    Learn from your fellow countrymen what the American way of life really is before you rant off against a religion of over a billion people to prove your ignorance!

      #5.2 - Tue Jul 5, 2011 7:02 AM EDT
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      Water Hole

      Boombay Central : Repeat sentence above and replace Osama with Bush. So what about the terrorist (US army) recruitment camps across High Schools in America?

      This thread is about pakistan's role in jihad, and not Bush's or American Army's. If you do not have anything on the topic, don't post.

      If you have a grudge with America, find a suitable thread and post there.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:15 AM EDT
      Boombay Central

      Yes Water Hole what about Pakistans role? What about America's role supporting the fanatic Wahabi kings of Saudi Arabia (who are single-handedly spreading false propaganda under the guise of Islamic ideology)?

      I bet that doesn't seem relevant to you now because you will not admit any guilt. An FYI: The primary reason for radicalization of Pakistan hinterlands is the Wahabi propaganda imported fresh from Saudi Arabia, a kingdom which the US blindly supports to keep its own "American" dream of driving gas guzzling SUV's 50 miles to work everyday alive (Wow the irony!)..

      I don't have a grudge against any1 but cant stand people who will criticize others before first looking at their own role in matters.

      Who was is that said, "Judge not, lest ye be judged"?

      Peace!

        #6.1 - Tue Jul 5, 2011 7:08 AM EDT
        Water Hole

        Boombay Central #6.1,

        India has had to face the terrorism export by pakistan. Do you think that pakistanis are doing this because of USA?

        The 2008 Mumbai attacks (often referred to as November 26 or 26/11) were more than 10 coordinated shooting and bombing attacks across Mumbai, India's largest city, by Islamic terrorists[5][6] who invaded from Pakistani seawaters.[7] The terrorists who carried out the reconnaissance before the attacks later stated that the attacks were conducted with the support of Pakistan's secret service, the ISI.[8][9] The attacks, which drew widespread global condemnation, began on 26 November 2008 and lasted until 29 November, killing 164 people and wounding at least 308.[2][10]. More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Mumbai_attacks

        You can read more about pakistani terrorism in my column.

        Read Pakistan schools teach hatred for Indians and Hindus,
        Pakistan's terror connections and the 2008 Mumbai attacks

        You have confined yourself to USA. That may be because of your hatred towards USA that you attribute every wrong to USA.


        • 1 vote
        #6.2 - Tue Jul 5, 2011 8:42 AM EDT
        Water Hole

        “I grew up in Pakistan and we were always taught to hate India, Israel and America. Our school books described Christians, Jews and Hindus as evil people, and unfortunately most Pakistanis exhibit a lot of hatred because of this. I was ashamed when Pakistanis celebrated on the streets after innocent people were killed in the Sept. 11 attacks“

        • 1 vote
        #6.3 - Tue Jul 5, 2011 1:41 PM EDT
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        Water Hole

        Pak intelligence confirms JuD schools were preaching 'Jihad'

        Lahore : Pakistani Government has taken over ten educational institutions supported by the banned utfit, Jamat-ud-Dawa, for promoting jihad in various parts of Punjab.

        Sources quoted by The News have said that following a ban imposed on the JuD; intelligence agencies informed the overnment that ten of the educational institutions in various parts of Punjab were promoting extremism.

        "Special lectures promoting Jihad are delivered to students especially at the time of assembly," sources quoting ntelligence reports said.

        There are total 26 Jamat-ud-Dawa run educational institutions in the Punjab province but the Government appointed dministrators in only 10 selected schools.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#7 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:21 AM EDT
        Water Hole

        Indoctrinating themes promoted in textbooks (in pakistan) - The Dawn

        A lesson for primary students: “Our country is Pakistan. Pakistan is a Muslim country. Here Muslims live. Who am I? I am a Muslim. I am a Pakistani”.

        • The ideology of Pakistan be presented as an accepted reality, and should never be subjected to discussion or dispute.

        • To develop a sense of love for the ideology of Pakistan, (students should be able to) demonstrate an appreciation of the ideology.

        • (The students should) find pleasure in protecting the ideology of Pakistan.

        • In the teaching material, no idea of separation between the worldly and the religious should be given. Rather all the material should be presented from Islamic point of view.

        • (The students should) know that national culture is not the local culture or local customs, but that it means the culture the principles which are laid down by Islam.

        • Hindus have always been the enemy of Islam.

        • The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things… Hindus do not respect women… social evils of Hindu customs are dealt with at length.

        • (Students must) recognise the importance of jihad… be aware of the blessings of jihad and must have yearning for jihad in their hearts.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#8 - Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:38 AM EDT
        Socrates1

        It is dangerous...too bad policy makers didn't understand the culture.

          Reply#9 - Wed Jul 6, 2011 3:54 AM EDT
          Boombay Central

          I'm sorry to say this but this seems like a hate thread gone astray. What exactly is your point? That ALL muslims are evil? Or that ALL Pakistanis hate ALL Indians just because its in their genes to hate? Sounds pretty racist to me... Oh and btw before informing me about Pakistani terror, please note that Pakistan was part of India before 1947 (NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND as some of you might like to think!)

          BTW i happen to be from Mumbai (Used to be called Bombay before the right-wing loons changed it) and have lived through enough terror attacks and riots to know there's NOTHING religious about people who kill in the name of religion. They are in fact the worst sinners and worship only HATE & IGNORANCE!

          I really wish you all could grow up and see the root cause of this malaise..not once has ANYBODY (besides me) mentioned or questioned the link between this propaganda to the psycho kings of Saudi Arabia where it clearly emanates from.

          No matter who (or what) you worship, for the sake of that; if not, then for the sake of humanity; WAKE UP and smell the Wahaabi!

          Peace Out!

          • 2 votes
          Reply#10 - Wed Jul 6, 2011 5:19 AM EDT
          Water Hole

          Boombay Central

          Used to be called Bombay before the right-wing loons changed it

          Sorry, you dont belong here. Ignorance and hate is writ large in your comment.

          Your generalisation and motherhood statements do not carry logic.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#11 - Wed Jul 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT
          Water Hole

          13 worrying facts about Pakistan and terrorism

          • 1 vote
          Reply#12 - Wed Jul 6, 2011 12:47 PM EDT
          jeff-1670266Deleted
          Boombay Central

          Water Hole is that all? You don't even have the cojones to debate me point by point? Haha..thought as much. Why don't you go tea-bagging with your fellow reds?

          The truth sure hurts doesn't it? Oh and in case your Fixed News hasn't told you yet, there was another bombing last week in my city. But I guess nothing concerns you unless it happens in AMERICA!

            Reply#14 - Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:51 AM EDT
            Water Hole

            I am not in America, I am in India and have to face pakistan supported terrorism very frequently.

            Please read my column carefully.

            I am not debating bombing in your city. I am debating pakistan supported bombing and terrorism in India. July 13th attack on Mumbai – Cycle of terror continues

            • 2 votes
            #14.1 - Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:54 AM EDT
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            Socrates1

            Not to get too personal...I try not to reveal too much myself..are you native to India?

              Reply#15 - Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:26 AM EDT
              Water Hole

              I am an Indian. and live in India.

                #15.1 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:33 AM EDT
                Socrates1

                Thanks...you see it....you live it.

                  #15.2 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
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