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Failure in AfPak: How the U.S. Got It Wrong | The National Interest

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United States lacks a clear conceptual understanding of what it calls "Af-Pak." Additionally, Washington is sub-optimally organized to think strategically and coherently about the area. Both of these insufficiencies are rooted in a wrong "theory of the region" which has led the United States into serial blunders.

In India, the U.S. was caught off guard by New Delhi's refusal to revise legislation that would have permitted American firms to bid on projects in the immense nuclear market. This was followed by an Indian decision to exclude two American companies from the $10 billion competition for a multi-role combat aircraft. Both developments were crushing disappointments to those who had expected these deals to be the capstone of a new strategic partnership.

In Pakistan, the United States tracked down and killed Osama bin Laden without help from the government. Despite repeated denials, this "non-NATO" ally had been hosting Osama bin Laden for years in a small city notable for its military installations. The jury is out on Islamabad's exact role, but either of the two likely scenarios—a benign inability to capture, or active protection—casts doubt on the value of a decade of almost unconditional American inducements and support.

In Afghanistan, almost ten years after vanquishing the Taliban, there is still confusion about strategy. Should we continue with our counterinsurgency efforts, or move on to a more limited counterterrorism strategy? We still have no idea what role Pakistan will play in Afghanistan's future, let alone India, which already has a large economic role there. Reducing our assistance to Pakistan, as announced last week, may put additional pressure on Islamabad to perform, but it is just another isolated measure with few prospects of having any long-term effect.

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India is worried over the US readiness to close its eyes to Pakistan's use of terrorism against India so long as Pakistan acts against terrorism directed against the US and helps the US in preventing another 9/11 in the US homeland. Pakistan is confident that so long as it helps the US against the Taliban and Al Qaeda it does not have to fear any adverse consequences from its continued use of terrorism against India. It is this confidence which should explain its inaction against the Lashkar-e-Toiba and other Punjabi terrorist organisations whose activities are directed against India. Pakistan has been hoodwinking the US not today, but for the last 30 years ever since it started using terrorism against India. It will continue to hoodwink the world brazenly so long it has the confidence that no action will be taken against it due to American support.

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Reply#1 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:13 AM EDT
Water Hole

For many decades, American policy towards India and Pakistan was derived from a Cold War framework. India was incorrectly seen as a Soviet ally just as Pakistan's reliability as an American ally was misjudged. This was a costly mistake because it not only neglected our overlapping interests with India, it ignored Pakistan's ability to exploit US tolerance as it covertly built nuclear weapons and nurtured a terrorist network that now poses a major threat to itself, India and the world.

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Reply#2 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:14 AM EDT
Water Hole

And, USA supported pakistan to the hilt when pakistan massacred Bangladeshis, resulting into Indo-Pak war of 1971. USA went to the extent of intimidating India by sending its Navy in support of pakistan. And, Indians haven't forgotten that.

From Wikipedia : The United States supported Pakistan both politically and materially. President Richard Nixon and his Secretary of State Henry Kissinger feared Soviet expansion into South and Southeast Asia.[48] Pakistan was a close ally of the People's Republic of China, with whom Nixon had been negotiating a rapprochement and where he intended to visit in February 1972. Nixon feared that an Indian invasion of West Pakistan would mean total Soviet domination of the region, and that it would seriously undermine the global position of the United States and the regional position of America's new tacit ally, China. In order to demonstrate to China the bona fides of the United States as an ally, Nixon sent military supplies to Pakistan, routing them through Jordan and Iran,[49] while also encouraging China to increase its arms supplies to Pakistan. The Nixon administration also ignored reports it received of the "genocidal" activities of the Pakistani Army in East Pakistan, most notably the Blood telegram. This prompted widespread criticism and condemnation both by Congress and in the international press.[18][50][51]

The then US ambassador to the United Nations George H W Bush—later 41st president of the United States—introduced a resolution in the UN Security Council calling for a cease-fire and the withdrawal of armed forces by India and Pakistan. It was vetoed by the Soviet Union. The following days witnessed a great pressure on the Soviets from the Nixon-Kissinger duo to get India to withdraw, but to no avail.[52]

When Pakistan's defeat in the eastern sector seemed certain, Nixon ordered the USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal. The Enterprise arrived on station on 11 December 1971. It has been documented that Nixon even persuaded Iran and Jordan to send their F-86, F-104 and F-5 fighter jets in aid of Pakistan.[53]

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#2.1 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:22 AM EDT
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The rise of India as a major power, the decline and possibly failure of Pakistan, increasing Chinese influence, and an unstable Afghanistan where we are entangled in a costly war cannot be managed without major organizational reform—including the creation of a new combatant command for South Asia and the Indian Ocean.

Organizational reform is a necessary but not sufficient adjustment. The United States also needs to correct course on three fronts.

More broadly, in the case of India, Washington must moderate expectations: New Delhi will not evolve into its new ally in Asia, like Japan. Our alliance with Pakistan will continue to stimulate Indian defense acquisitions from other suppliers—including Russia and Europe—as New Delhi will never want to rely on us to service their American equipment in case of a new conflict with Pakistan. The same reasoning applies to the 2008 nuclear cooperation deal: it improved relations, but did not make India an ally. New Delhi has a deep commitment to strategic autonomy, as indicated by its insistent use of the moderating prefix "natural" to describe its US relationship. In the end, India got what it needed from Washington, including recognition of its nuclear weapons program and support for its permanent membership on the United Nations' Security Council, at little or no cost.

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Reply#3 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:27 AM EDT
Water Hole

Is our relationship with Pakistan worth saving? [The conversation] - latimes.com

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Reply#4 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:44 AM EDT
Water Hole

Dr. Kissinger and Brzezinksi are the gatekeepers of the civilized world, esp. during the cold war. But you Paks never left the cold war, you are still doing it up until recent times, against India, using the cold war throwback “Mujahideen”, but just gave them a new direction to stare, that being at India.

The so-called Mafia men helped Pakistan build their military complex through direct and indirect intentions. Your little country would have no defensive capability, or an ISI, if it were not for guys like Kissinger advocating for it, so for that you should be greatful, and there is so little gratefulness in Pakistan, that us westerners are quite frankly baffled by it…you BEG, BEG and BEG, we just give, give and give and no good deed goes unpunished.

The direct result of the situation in Pakistan is the result of Zia Al Haq, corrupt Pakistani Politicians and a corrupt Army, incompetant at best, but great at mismanaging U.S. money and pocketing it. On top of that you have a willfully ignorant population, so deeply caught up with the politics of Islam, very few there even have the courage to challenge the status quo, or the extremist hate jihadi factories and madrassas.

Please point the finger at yourself, I urge you kindly to delve into your own psyche, your mind, what little humanity that is there and look at what kind of people you want to be and start taking responsibility for your thoughts and actions. The first level of blame in any problem is not without, it is within.

Pakistan created its many demons on its own volition, the outsiders just capitalized on a situation, which was working to their benefit at that time.

You need not worry, the Drones will begin to clean up Pakistan, one bit at a time, one Pak Strategic Depth terrorist at a time.

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Reply#5 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:48 AM EDT
Water Hole

India can not count for any military help from US or Briton because they have more vested military interests in Pakistan and financial interests in China. Indian has learned that lessons in past. India is more closer to Russia than NATO on national security issue.

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Reply#6 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:56 AM EDT
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SacramentoMike

Your comments were deleted because they were not concerned with the topic.

Will also be reported for trying to derail the discussion and posting irrelevant comments.

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Reply#9 - Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:22 AM EDT
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The U.S. Objective in Afghanistan and its ongoing relationship with Pakistan had nothing to do with the Taliban or al-Qeada. The genesis for the invasion of Afghanistan was to finally force the Afghan government to grant both oil and natural gas pipeline right of ways through their country from the UnoCal's Caspian Sea oil fields.

The final attempt to secure these pipeline right of ways was made on May 17, 2001 when U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell announced that the U.S. was giving the Taliban $43 million in aid for "humanitan" purposes. (1)

The United States government had been applying pressure and attempting to convince the Taliban government in Afghanistan to grant these oil and natural gas pipeline right of ways for years, even though it knew they were harbouring bin-Laden and al-Qeada.(2)

I spent 33 years and 4 months in active service as a member of our country's most agile military force--the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was part of a racket all the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service.

War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

Major General Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC

1881 - 1940

Double recipient of the Congressional Medal of Honor

1). U.S. gives $43 million to Afghanistan |By Elise Labott CNN Washington Bureau. CNN US. May 17, 2001.

(2). Taliban in Texas for Talks on Gas Pipeline. BBC News December 4, 1997

    Reply#11 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 6:38 AM EDT
    Water Hole

    Unfortunately, US pressure has not shown any great change in pakistan's attitude towards terrorism or its manner of supporting terrorists.

    latest victim of pakistani terrorism is another of pakistan's friend : CHINA

    You can read about it : China Points to Pakistan in Xinjiang Attack - WSJ.com

    the truth is that pakistan bites the hand which feeds it.

    and some how, America has not been able to do anything about it.

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    Reply#12 - Tue Aug 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT
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