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Pakistan : Less (American aid) Is More

Seeded on Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:25 AM EDT
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Cutting U.S. military aid to Pakistan might be just what the world's most frustrating alliance needs.

Cutting off civilian aid would almost certainly do more harm than good. But so, too, does the endless drama of American demands and outraged Pakistani responses. The time has come to ask less of Pakistan, to expect less, and to offer less.

In Afghanistan, too, the United States has run up sharply against the limits of its influence, despite spending $120 billion a year, not to mention the presence of 100,000 troops. The Obama administration's effort to bring good governance to Afghanistan -- central to its counterinsurgency strategy -- has failed, and the White House has largely stopped trying, and stopped lecturing Afghan President Hamid Karzai on the subject. That's in part because the United States has concluded that Afghanistan no longer poses a grave threat to its national security. Pakistan, however, does. The bulk of the extremists allied with al Qaeda live on the Pakistani side of the border. And Pakistan is a giant, turbulent country with 180 million people -- and nuclear weapons. The relationship is thus governed by the premise that the United States can't walk away. Pakistan has a gift for making itself appear indispensable.

 

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Outrage over the revelation that bin Laden had been hiding in plain sight not far from Islamabad had prompted pundits and congressmen to call for an end to funding this supremely problematic ally. Kerry told me what he told Pakistan's military and civilian leaders: His colleagues were "overwhelmingly negative about aspects of the relationship" and "needed to see which way Pakistan was really going to go." The Pakistanis heard him out respectfully and promised a stepped-up commitment. Kerry was followed to Islamabad by a parade of senior American officials who offered a similar mix of blandishments and threats. And then -- surprise! -- the Pakistanis changed their minds. Or maybe they had never meant it.

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Reply#1 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:26 AM EDT
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Until now, Obama has favored the carrot over the stick. With the fierce prodding of Richard Holbrooke, the United States' late special representative for the region, the "transactional relationship" maintained under President George W. Bush -- we pay you to let us kill bad guys on your soil -- was promoted to a "special partnership" bringing senior officials from both sides together to discuss the wide range of issues shared by actual allies: economic development, regional diplomacy, energy policy, and the like.

Vali Nasr, who served as a senior advisor to Holbrooke before leaving office this year, argues persuasively that it offered the Pakistanis real benefits, which in turn induced very modest acts of compliance with American goals.

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Reply#2 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:29 AM EDT
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Traub ignores history- only solution is bombing Pak to stone age

Obviously Mr. Traub wants to ignore the history specifically of this Afghan war and ASSUMES that ‘asking less and giving less’ would solve America’s problems with Pakistan. He is grossly wrong on both counts.

It is not as if US did not know about how Afghanistan came to be ruled by Taliban/Pakistan before 9/11.

Declassified DIA Washington D.C., "IIR (intelligence Information Report) Pakistan Involvement in Afghanistan," dated November 7, 1996 states how "Pakistan's ISI is heavily involved in Afghanistan," and also details different roles various ISI officers play in Afghanistan. Stating that Pakistan uses sizable numbers of its Pashtun-based Frontier Corps in Taliban-run operations in Afghanistan, the document clarifies that, "these Frontier Corps elements are utilized in command and control; training; and when necessary combat“.

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Reply#3 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:32 AM EDT
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Declassified U.S. Department of State, Cable "Pakistan Support for Taliban" from Islamabad dated Sept. 26, 2000 states that "while Pakistani support for the Taliban has been long-standing, the magnitude of recent support is unprecedented." In response Washington orders the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad to immediately confront Pakistani officials on the issue and to advise Islamabad that the U.S. has "seen reports that Pakistan is providing the Taliban with materiel, fuel, funding, technical assistance and military advisors. [The Department] also understand[s] that large numbers of Pakistani nationals have recently moved into Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban, apparently with the tacit acquiescence of the Pakistani government." Additional reports indicate that direct Pakistani involvement in Taliban military operations has increased.

Sandy Berger, Clinton’s national security advisor told 9/11 Commission in 2004, Pakistani Army was the midwife of Taliban. UN report on Bhutto killing released on 4/15/10 confirmed this fact when it noted that "The PAKISTANI MILITARY ORGANIZED AND SUPPORTED THE TALIBAN TO TAKE CONTROL OF AFGHANISTAN IN 1996“. So in a way, Pakistani government was in charge of Afghanistan when 9/11 attacks were carried out and hence Pakistani government was responsible for those attacks.

With an ally like Pakistan, US Afghan war was doomed from the beginning.

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Reply#4 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:33 AM EDT
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A mess called Pakistan

US aid or no US aid, drone attacks or no drone attacks. Pakistan is a terrible mess, it could hardly be called a state. The lawlessness is rife in Pakistan, no one has any authority in Pakistan. Rather, every one has some authority in Pakistan. The people in the country are confused. They support democratic government, but they find government pandering to US. They respect the military, but they find the halo around the military slowly disappearing when confronted with USA. They oppose the terrorists, but they hate the US as much. No one knows what is their way out. .

The reason for this state of Pakistan is in their history. Pakistan, a Muslim country, was carved out of India. Pakistanis trouble with India right from birth, its inability to win Kashmir and the creation of Bangladesh, left Pakistan in a deep sense of inferiority complex. This inferiority complex led it to find solace in Islamic civilization, or the Arab Muslim civilization. Though it was never part of this civilization historically, Pakistan is a paradigm of a torn state. The history of Pakistan is different from the history that it teaches itself. The loss of Bangladesh was pivotal in Pakistanis abandoning its South Asia heritage for ever. Zulfikar Bhutto wanted an Islamic bomb. Zia furthered this interpretation with his support for terrorism based on religion. Today, Pakistanis are confused, how they identify themselves, which way they want to go. They know the road to Afghanistan is a suicide, and the road to India is a political death.

Pakistan is unable to find a leader/party who could guide them in this difficult phase. Nawaz Sharif could make some difference, though he is a pariah for USA. USA needs to have Sharif in their boat.

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Reply#5 - Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT
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